The PHCPPros Behind the Wall podcast delves into the personal journeys of those who have created successful businesses within the PHCP industry. Every month, Host Ellen Rohr — PHC News columnist, plumber's wife, COO of Zoom Drain Franchising Company and overall industry icon — holds vulnerable conversations with guests to explore insights gained and lessons learned. 

In Episode 8, Ellen interviews Josh Kelly, CEO of Clover Marketing, a marketing consulting business for contractors. Tune in to hear their vulnerable discussion on life as a serial entrepreneur, working for a family business, and finding love, as well as how Josh went from working 80-hour weeks to establishing his ideal work-life balance and staying in touch with what matters!

You can listen to the PHCPPros Behind the Wall podcast on our website, or on streaming platforms such as Spotify, Apple Podcasts and Google Podcasts.